leichteste Innen-/ Außenstoff für Iso Kleidung

[zopiclon]

Welche Kunstfaser ist leicht und sinnvoll nutzbar, dh entsprechend Wasserdampfdurchlässig?

Nylon/Polyamid als Außenstoff, weil abriebfester?

Was für Kriterien sind noch sinnvoll?

Daunendicht: Toray Airtastic aus Polyester?

für Kunstfaser: was gibts hier zu beachten? Continuous filaments vs. staple design?

 

@Trinolho hat folgende Arbeitsthese:

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  • Als Active Layer: Maximale Luftdurchlässigkeit, also verdunstet die Feuchtigkeit schnell und der Tragende "überhitzt" nicht. Zum Beispiel 7D oder 10D Außenmaterial.
  • Als Static Insulation: Minimale Luftdurchlässigkeit, da von innen kaum mehr Schweiß/Luftfeuchtigkeit produziert wird und die warme Luft in den Porenräumen gehalten werden soll. Eher was in Richtung 20D

   

  hat da wer andere Ideen?

 

Die Physik lernt uns, das die Wasserdampfdurchlässigkeit von innen nach außen zunehmen soll, damit sich möglichst wenig Feuchtigkeit in der Isolierung sammelt: kennt da wer ein praktiziertes und erfolgreiches System?

 

[zopiclon]

Korrektur:

Toray Airtastic 19 g/m² (100% nylon), 7-denier ripstop, mit DWR

ist auch angemessen windicht und somit, derzeit, eine sehr gute bis ideale Aussenhülle für Isobekliedung (ohne Regen zu betrachten)- behaupte ich mal!

 

Bearbeitet 27. August 2023 von zopiclon
https://www.sportstextiles.toray/en/exhibition/airtastic/new_textile.html

[mochilero]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb zopiclon:

Toray Airtastic 19 g/m² (100% nylon), 7-denier ripstop, mit DWR

ist auch angemessen windicht und somit, derzeit, eine sehr gute bis ideale Aussenhülle für Isobekliedung (ohne Regen zu betrachten)- behaupte ich mal!

OT: Ja und wo kann ich das bitte kaufen als Selber-näher???

[zopiclon]

vor 40 Minuten schrieb mochilero:

Ja und wo kann ich das bitte kaufen als Selber-näher???

OT: cumulus

[zopiclon]

Weiß jemand welche Hersteller hinter den Stoffen von GramExpert stehen

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  • 10D plain - Very popular fabric, with 22 g/m² is very lightweight and available in many colors!  (M/reg weighs 34g)

  • 20D Ripstop - Fabric weight 39 g/m² still pretty lightweight (M/reg weighs 59g) but more durable. Also not translucent and not as shiny as plain 10D fabric. Available in black and steel grey color.

    (M/reg weighs 55g)

  • 7x4D Ripstop - Extremely lightweight - 18 g/m² but with tear strength comparable to plain 10D. Lightest possible weight for wind pants. Available only in grey color (M/reg weighs 30g)

  • 10D Ripstop - Very lightweight fabric at 26 g/m² - more durable than plain 10D fabric so overall it's a good balance between weight and durability. Fabric also uses plant based EcoElite™ dwr! (M/reg weighs 40g).

  • 6D 3 layer WPB laminate - This fabric is not only wind proof but it is also highly waterproof with hydrostatic head of 20.000mm. Breathability is also very good (50.000g JIS L1099 B1 method) and suitable for highly aerobic activities. Fabric weight is 51 g/m2. While the fabric itself is waterproof the seams are not. They can be sealed by the user with Silnet or Seamgrip (M/reg pants weigh 73g)

  • 20D Ripstop soft - Fabric weight 38 g/m². The most breathable fabric choice and it also looks most casual as it is not shiny, not translucent.

   

   

oder auch von Enlightened Equipment ?

 

Zitat

 

• 10D - 0.65oz per yard²

With an amazing balance of durability, breathability, and weight, 10D has become our go-to nylon for many of the products we build. This option is comfortable against skin, but also makes a great exterior fabric. 10D is a great choice for a variety of applications. 

• 20D - 1.10oz per yard²

This micro ripstop nylon offers a higher durability and water resistance than the other fabric options, but with a bit of a weight penalty. It's also less breathable than the lighter options. Keep in mind that durability should be understood in terms of ultralight materials. It's a heavier material, but you will still have to take care of your equipment. Our 20D material is a good choice for high abrasion uses if you understand the sacrifice in weight and breathability. 

• 7D - 0.50oz per yard²

7D nylon is our lightest option yet. For those wanting to cut every gram possible we offer 7D fabric that can be used anywhere our 10D is an option. Benefits include increased breathability and decreased weight. However, this material is slightly less downproof and less durable. Through our own testing process, we’ve seen slight down loss, but no decrease in performance. We’ve been very surprised at how durable this fabric actually is. That being said, please take extra caution with this option and understand you are selecting the lightest available.   

Windproofness

Cubic Feet per Minute, or CFM, is a fabric windproofness measurement. For example, a typical rain jacket would be about 0.5cfm, Windpro fleece would be 60cfm, and a typical fleece would be around 200cfm.

Our 20D is around 1cfm, which is considered nearly windproof. 10D is around 10cfm, so it's highly wind-resistant. 7D is around 35cfm.

Water resistance

All three fabrics we offer have a Durable Water Repellent (DWR) treatment. This is not the same as waterproof, but it helps the fabric shed water and dry faster when wet. 

Other fabrics

We use 1.15oz per yard² waterproof 15D silnylon

 

 

 

OT:

random facts

https://dutchwaregear.com/product/argon-49/

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ARGON 49 Fabric is specially made for us as the cutting-edge ultimate nylon quilt material. This 7 denier taffeta fabric resists wind and sheds water enough to be the outer shell of a quilt, yet it is breathable enough to be used as the inner shell. It has a very tight weave and a quality DWR coating, is calendared and completely down proof. The material has a silky feel and is baby soft.

Need a continuous piece of fabric longer than 40 yards? Please contact us directly at: sales@dutchwaregear.com

*All Specs are estimates and may vary from color to color and batch to batch.

Specs

• Material – Nylon
• Fabric Width: 59-60-inch
• Weight per sq yard 0.49 ounces per square yard
• 7 Denier
• Coating DWR
• PFC Free
• Calendered
• Tear Strength ASTM D1424
  • Warp 0.5 lbF
  • Weft 0.5 lbF
• Tensile Strength ASTM D5034
  • Warp 28.8 lbF
  • Weft 22.1 lbF
• Air Permeability ASTM D737
  • 56.3 ft3/ft2/min (CFM)
• Color Fastness to Light AATC 16 – 4

 

 

https://roberts.pl/index.php?l=en&p=_detale_techniczne

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MICROTEX 21 – ultralight fabric for specific use (eg. break jackets).

• extremely light: 21g/m2
• more windproof than M54, M40 and Quantum
• less breathable than M54, M40 and Quantum
• DWR(300 mm H2O)
• less mechanically durable than thicker fabrics (M54, M40)
• less downproof than thicker fabrics (M54, M40)

 

 

https://pertex.com/quantum-air/

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QUANTUM – when lightweight is your top priority.

• minimal weight: < 35g/m2
• great breathability
• DWR (300 mm H2O)
• very nice to the touch, soft fabric

 

 

https://www.extremtextil.de/ripstop-nylon-supersoft-active-lining-20den-40g-qm.html

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"Ripstop-Nylon, supersoft, mit active kiss-coating, 20den, 44g/qm". Active-Insulation-Bekleidung bestechen durch ein gewisse Wärmeisolation – abhängig von der verwendeten Isolation und dessen Dicke – kombiniert mit hoher Atmungsaktivität. Da Wind und Luft nicht komplett geblockt werden, wird ein Hitzestau auch bei einem hohen Bewegungslevel verhindert.

 

http://www.ftc.com.tw/newftc/en/news_view.php?id=27

 

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A01. 4~7D Ultra Light Weight Fabric

 

FTC's newly launched 4~7D ultra-lightweight fabric series boasts an average fabric weight of 25g/㎡↓. A windbreaker made of these fabrics can even be lighter than a chocolate bar. FTC's innovative combination of high-tenacity nylon materials, sophisticated weaving & dyeing techniques and topnotch finishing treatments has allowed these amazingly ultra-light fabrics to not only deliver water-repelling, water-proofing, wind-breaking and down-proofing functions but also have a look as gauzy as cicadas' wings and a touch as fluid as silk. Furthermore, products made of these fabrics are compact and packable. These versatile, multi-functional fabrics can be designed and made into a broad range of products with diverse styles, including outdoor wear, leisurewear and sportswear. Depending on styles and applications, they can highlight either fashionable function or functional fashion.

 

A02. 10~15D Fabric

 

This series refers to a collection of fabrics with a weight less than 35g/㎡. FTC uses 10～15D nylon or polyester materials in conjunction with unique, sophisticated weaving processes and dyeing techniques to produce a series of ultra-lightweight fabrics. These fabrics can be processed by a variety of finishing treatments to obtain single or multiple functions, including super water repellency, waterproofness, wind protection, downproofness and waterproofness by silicone coating.

 

A03. 20D Fabric

 

This series refers to a collection of fabrics with a weight less than 40g/㎡. FTC uses 20D nylon or polyester materials in conjunction with unique, sophisticated weaving processes and dyeing techniques to produce a series of ultra-lightweight fabrics. These fabrics can be processed by a variety of finishing treatments to obtain single or multiple functions, including super water repellency, waterproofness, wind protection and downproofness. 

 

Applications: ultra-lightweight windbreakers, down wear, sleeping bags and summit mountaineering tents.

 

 

https://asahi-kasei-advance.com/en/portal/database.php?category2[]=1

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Composition:Rec. N100
Construction:Ripstop
Weight:28gsm
Function:W/R
Application:Down Jacket
Certificate:bluesign®
Material:Woven
Bulk or Development:Bulk
Stock:Greige running
Remarks:ECOSENSOR®(US$10/yds)

 

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php/150165-Customized-lightweight-UQ-from-Cumulus

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The air permeability of fabrics is measured at a given air speed and pressure (Frazier type test, ASTM D737) with the data typically reported as CFM (cubic feet of air passing through a square foot of fabric per minute). A value ≤1 is windproof, 3-10 is very wind resistant, and 10-20 is wind resistant. Argon 67 and 90 (outer shell of Hammock Gear and Loco Libre underquilts) rate at 48.9 and 40.1 CFM, respectively. Pertrex Quantum rates at ca. 3-5 CFM while Airtastic is as low as 0.18 CFM (i.e. 0.09 cm3/cm2/sec); windproof!

 

 

 

[zopiclon]

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Momentum 50™MR
Momentum 50™ MR is an ultralite downproof mini ripstop finished with a high quality DWR. Excellent shell material for apparel and sleeping bags. Sold by the continuous linear yard by roll width (58"). NOTE: this fabric has pronounced shiny and dull sides. The dull side is the face side (aka the "right" side) and the shiny side is the wrong side which should go on the inside of your project.

Base Weight: 0.5 oz/yd2. Finished Weight:.7 oz/yd2. DWR Finish. Moderate wind/water resistance, moderate breathability. 800+ Downproof; not tested for down <800FP. Roll width=58". Construction=10d. Yarn: 100% nylon.

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Pertex Microlight Eco
Pertex Microlight is an ultralite downproof ripstop finished with a high quality DWR. Excellent shell material for apparel and sleeping bags. Sold by the continuous linear yard by roll width (58").
Finished Weight:1.7 oz/yd2. DWR Finish. Moderate wind/water resistance, moderate breathability. 800+ Downproof; not tested for down <800FP. Roll width=58". Construction=20d. Yarn: 100% polyester.

https://www.thru-hiker.com/materials/breathable.php

 

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PEAQ Down
• 37g/m 2 100% nylon 20 denier plain weave taffeta
• Exceptional comfort next to skin
• Highly breathable and fast drying

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PERTEX ® Classic 6
• 70g/m 2 100% nylon 70 denier plain weave with
hard, rustle free finish
• Air permeability 1.0cc max (JIS L 1096 / ASTM D737)
• DWR finish with spray rating 80 / 20 (JIS L 1092)
• Abrasion resistance 40,000+ at 12.5k PA
(BS EN ISO 12947-2)

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PERTEX ® Microlight -
Rip-stop
• 52g/m 2 100% nylon 30 denier mini
rip-stop
• Air permeability 1.0cc max
(JIS L 1096 / ASTM D737)
• DWR finish with spray rating 80 / 20 (JIS L 1092)
• Abrasion resistance 40,000+ at 12.5k PA
(BS EN ISO 12947-2)

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PERTEX ® Microlight
Stretch
• 49g/m 2 100% nylon 20 denier mini rip-stop
• 20 denier textured yarn creates stretch
• Dense weave prevents excessive heat loss and offers
warmth without weight
• Super DWR with spray rating 100 / 20 (JIS L 1092)

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PERTEX ® Quantum GL
• 25g/m 2 100% nylon 6 10 denier micro rip-stop
• Air permeability 1.0cc max (JIS L 1096 / ASTM D737)
• DWR finish with spray rating 80 / 20 (JIS L 1092)
• Abrasion resistance 10,000+ at 12.5k PA
(BS EN ISO 12947-2)

https://cache.tradeinn.com/images/pdf/especificaciones/eng_montane_specs_clothes.pdf

 

 

Pertex Quantum sollte bei einem MVTR (breathability level) von 10 000 gr /m2 / 24 h

https://en.hardloop.de/product/25964-millet-fusion-airloft-hoodie-synthetic-jacket-mens

PQ PRO sollte so bei einem Wert von 7000 liegen

 

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Was sind gute Werte?

	MVTR	RET nach Hohenstein
nicht atmungsaktiv		> 20
atmungsaktiv	ab 3.000g/m²/24h	Bis 20
sehr atmungsaktiv	10.000g/m²/24h	6 – 13
extrem atmungsaktiv	15.000 bis 40.000g/m²/24h	< 6

 

https://www.bergzeit.de/magazin/atmungsaktiv-mvtr-ret/

 

 

 

[gerritoliver]

Um was geht es hier? 

[zopiclon]

Am 24.8.2023 um 20:55 schrieb zopiclon:

Welche Kunstfaser ist leicht und sinnvoll nutzbar, dh entsprechend Wasserdampfdurchlässig?

also Daten und Fakten, um eine sinnvolle Auswahl bezüglich der Nutzung treffen zu können

[zopiclon]

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Argon 90, whichis a 15d fabric that has a little more durability than lower denier shell fabrics and has been tested to have 40 CFM breathability

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Argon 90 is one of the more breathable shell materials, allowing you to be active in it. At high intensity activity a more breathable layer is desirable, but at moderate activity in cooler weather, a layer like this can provide great warmth with good breathability

 

https://timmermade.com/product/argon-wind-pants-2/

 

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1.0 oz Hyper D (uncalendared), which is a 20d fabric that has more breathability than the Argon Wind Shell

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The Argon 90 wind shell layers provide a good balance of breathability to windproofness (40cfm) that is suited to lower levels of activity with great wind protection. HyperD is a large jump up in breathability that is much better suited to higher levels of activity while still maintaining good protection from wind. At 20mph you will start to feel some wind cutting through a bit, but it still stops a lot of it. While I don’t know the actual cfm rating of this fabric I would estimate it somewhere around double that of Argon 90 and it is much more comfortable when putting out a higher effort.

 

https://timmermade.com/product/hyper-d-wind-pants-copy/

 

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Cubic feet per square meter is a measurement of how much air breathability and air resistance a fabric has. A higher CFM is more breathable, but less wind resistant and a lower CFM is less breathable and more air resistant. For example, a fleece typically has a very high CFM (200+), but usually does not block the wind. Similarly a windbreaker has a low CFM (3-5), but can feel like wearing a garbage bag under high exertion.

https://notes.alexkehayias.com/cfm-is-a-measure-of-fabric-breathability/

 

 

 

Bearbeitet 8. September 2023 von zopiclon